A Brief History Of The Flat Earth Society


Of all the areas of the liberal arts that need to have the Trivium method applied, this is certainly the one.

I have been fascinated by the willingness of acceptance towards unprovable “facts” used by this group of modern “flat-earther’s.” And so I knew that if I searched a bit I would come to discover the origin of such unscientific thought processes toward the fallaciously standing conclusions put forward therein. And so I’d like to share what I found. This is not meant to be offensive or spark a debate, merely to show the roots of this prima facie (on the face/appearance only) type of belief system and its spread as a subversive culture.

In a nutshell, the origins of the Flat Earth Society come from the Zetetic Society, philosophy, and method. From its modern website we can read:

The ‘Universal Zetetic Society‘ (UZS) was the precursor to the Flat Earth Society. It was founded shortly after the death of Samuel Rowbotham (aka Parallax) by Rowbotham’s adherents. The UZS was active well into the early part of the 20th century, publishing many issues of a magazine titled, The Earth Not a Globe Review?. In 1971, the UZS was renamed The Flat Earth Society when Samuel Shenton became its leader.

Samuel Birley Rowbotham (AKA Parallax) (1816 – 1884), was an English inventor and writer who wrote Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe, based on his decade-long scientific studies of the earth, published a 16-page pamphlet (1849), which he later expanded into a 430 page book (1881) expounding his views. According to Rowbotham’s scientific method, which he called Zetetic Astronomy, the earth is a flat disk centered at the North Pole? and bounded along its southern edge by a wall of ice, with the sun, moon, planets, and stars only a few thousand miles above the surface of the earth.

Rowbotham and his followers gained notoriety by engaging in raucous public debates with leading scientists of the day. One such clash, involving the prominent naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace, led to several lawsuits for fraud and libel.

After Rowbotham’s death, his thousands of followers established the Universal Zetetic Society, published a magazine entitled The Earth Not a Globe Review? and remained active well into the early part of the 20th century.

‘Zeteticism‘ is a system of scientific inquiry. The word is derived from the Greek verb zeteo, which means “to search or examine; to proceed only by inquiry.

Zeteticism differs from the usual scientific method in that using zeteticism one bases his conclusions on experimentation and observation rather than on an initial theory that is to be proved or disproved. A zetetic forms the question then immediately sets to work making observations and performing experiments to answer that question, rather than speculating on what the answer might be then testing that out.

For example, in questioning the shape of the Earth the zetetic does not make a hypothesis suggesting that the Earth is round or flat and then proceed testing that hypothesis; he skips that step and devises an experiment that will determine the shape of the Earth, and bases his conclusion on the result of that experiment. Many feel this is a more reasonable method than the normal scientific method because it  removes any preconceived notions and biases the formation of a hypothesis might cause, and leaves the conclusion up entirely to what is observed. Samuel Rowbotham was the first to use the term in reference to Flat Earth? research. He devised the Bedford Level Experiment to determine whether the surface of water is convex, reasoning that if the water is not convex the earth cannot be a sphere. This is how he came to the conclusion that the Earth is flat. The method has been a cornerstone of Flat Earth Theory? ever since.

Link–> https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Universal+Zetetic+Society
Link–> https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Samuel+Rowbotham
Link–> https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Zeteticism

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Here we should stop to define a couple of terms, which not ironically have much to do with each other. The Parallax view of convection. Let us use a dictionary from those times:

CONVEX – adjective – [Latin] Rising or swelling on the exterior surface into a spherical or round form; gibbous; opposed to concave, which expresses a round form of the interior surface; as a convex mirror or lens. – noun – A convex body; as heavens convex. (–Webster’s 1828 Dictionary of the English Language)

CONVEXITY – noun – [Latin] The exterior surface of a convex body; a gibbous or globular form; roundness(–Webster’s 1828 Dictionary of the English Language)

PARALLAX – noun – [Gr. to vary, to decline or wander; beyond, and to change.] In astronomy, the change of place in a heavenly body in consequence of being viewed from different points. Diurnal parallax the difference between the place of a celestial body, as seen from the surface, and from the center of the earth, at the same instant. Annual parallax the change of place in a heavenly body, in consequence of being viewed at opposite extremities of the earth’s orbit. (–Webster’s 1828 Dictionary of the English Language)

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This notion of Zetetic methodology of science is not distinct from the blind leading the blind. Information without postulate or goal. While Mr. “Parallax” Rowbotham may have been sincere and attempting to be legitimized in his time, it appears that even up to today his followers are merely bad-mannered, browbeating Zetetics hell bent on “engaging in raucous public debates with leading scientists of the day,” and for that matter anyone that seeks rational debate. A simple perusal through the comments section of any “Flat Earth” video or website is evidence of the fallacious ad hominem and other personal, non-scientific attacks towards anyone that disagrees with their strange breed of “science.”

One begins to see similar patterns of this type of harassment in certain elements of the “truth movement” and its infamous shock jocks, and within groups like We Are Change and the various 9/11 truth movements, of which I was once very much involved. This is certainly not to say that no science backs their (and my) claims about 9/11. It is to say that the approach towards dissemination of this information, which is prima facie evidence at best, is to gather in places and have arguments similar to those of the flat-earther’s, usually ending in statements like “if you can’t see what is happening in this video you must be an idiot.” And I believe this is why such movements are so transient and ineffective, for the confidence of absolute observational correctness becomes an overwhelming force that allows no further debate and ignores all evidence to the contrary.

Now remember, I am referring to myself here, as one of the guys that used to get out in the streets and in parks and other public places in people’s faces without solicitation to spread “9/11 truth.” And honestly, I hate the thought that I might have been so belligerent and unreasonably argumentative that I turned people away from actually examining the evidence I had just by my attitudinal prejudices. And so as one with experience in this gang-up and insult methodology, I know this is a mental trap we must all grow from if we are to have any effect.

One of the most outspoken and somehow respected “flat-earther’s” is Eric Dubay.

In the following video debunking most tenets of this movement, we find that many of Dubay’s sources for flat-earth cosmology is from just where we would expect, the Zetetic Society. I recommend this entire video:

Note too in this video that “Freemasons formed Zetetic Societies to engage in anti-Christian and scientific debate.” In other words, counter-culture.

We can also find much of this sort of fallacious reasoning in Theosophical writings and movements. From the Theosophical.org website we can read some of these esoteric writings that seem to support such Zetetic methodologies and beliefs:

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Earth Mind: Starting where we are in the world of appearances, we see the myriad of forms, from our time and place of seeing, from our point of view and perspective. We are the subject registering objects.

This is my world, my life, my things, my roles. Fear and desire. The mask of persona. The consumer. Habits. The everyday world. The world of natural living. This is the flatworld; the sun revolves around us. This is the data storage mind. Calculating mind. Taking care of business. This is the earth world. The outer world. The subject-object awareness dominates

Esoteric Initiations: In addition to meditation, ancient myths, and near-death research, we have a similar process described in the psychological initiations of consciousness familiar to esoteric groups. There are notable similarities between the process of natural life and death and the ending of an old value system and a rebirth into a new perspective.

Transpersonal psychologists love to look at this process of death and rebirth in consciousness. One of (the) first of these was the Romanian scholar Mircea Eliade, who observed: “Initiatory death provides the clean state on which will be written the successive revelations whose end is the formation of a new man…This new life is conceived as the true human existence, for it is open to the values of spirit” (Eliade, xiii-xiv). The process of initiatory death wipes the slate clean so that a new chapter in the book of life may begin fresh, open, and unprejudiced by old cultural and social values and viewsInitiation breaks down old patterns of behavior. It allows people to begin again and to see with new perception. The new values become the principal values of the new life.

At each initiatory death and rebirth we begin with a new view from a higher elevation. We see more, know more, and can relate to whole systems more readily. Seeing and accepting life as a process of birth/death instead of regarding life as the opposite of death is an initiation into reality

Link–> https://www.theosophical.org/publications/quest-magazine?id=2810
Sources–> Alice Bailey (Theosophy), Madamn H.P. Blavatsky (Theosophy), The Dali Lama, etc…

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With its hand inside and its (formally “Lucifer”) Lucis Publishing company officially recognized and integrated into the United Nations and the Common Core agenda for world education, let us again understand the basics of Theosophy for our purposes:

 
THEOSOPHY – noun – Divine wisdomgodliness. 1. Knowledge of God. (Webs1828)

THEOSOPHIST – noun – One who pretends to divine illuminationone who pretends to derive his knowledge from divine revelation. (Webs1828)

THEOSOPHIST – noun – [Gr. God, and comment; wise.] Pretension to divine illumination; enthusiasm(Webs1828)

SOPHIST – noun – [Latin sophista.] 1. A professor of philosophy; as the sophists of Greece. 2. A captious or fallacious reasoner. (Webs1828)

SOPHISTRY – (repeated) – noun – 1. Fallacious reasoningreasoning sound in appearance only. These men have obscured and confounded the nature of things by their false principles and wretched sophistry2. Exercise in logic(Webs1828)

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Logic without grammar — this is the epitome of the Flat-Earth Society. Perspective-based information without True knowledge.

Let us be clear… I have maintained throughout my research and writings that I simply don’t know the shape of the earth, nor do I fool myself that this type of knowledge is for such mortals as myself. I remain neutral. This is, if anything, a sort of divine wisdom whose vantage point is only with God, if you will. I don’t know. I will continue to answer I don’t know. But so far, the evidence lands almost exclusively in the “globular” earth model. But I still do not know.

The typical flat-earther, however, has already decided, claiming God-like knowledge as divine wisdom without proofs and without actually realizing this cultish disposition. Such confidence is reminiscent to the historical accounts of the church’s resolve in justifying the witch-burnings. Fact built upon fallacious reasoning… or no reasoning or questioning at all! Belief based purely on physical observation and perspective is obviously a very dangerous thing, and is how the masses are controlled in many areas of thought. It is not dissimilar to ignoring the camouflage of many species that allows them to hide in plain site by subterfuge so as to catch its prey unsuspecting.

But what happens when one’s perspective is changed?

What happens to the mountainous ant hill when the ant climbs a tree and observes it from directly above as seemingly flat?

In fairness, we must acknowledge that the world and those who run it is full of controlled oppositional forces. It was Vladimir Lennon who is quoted as suggesting that “the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” And so as we find Eric Dubay outing almost all other prominent flat-earth researchers but himself as shills and controlled oppositions, we may also find otherwise legitimate inquiries and scientific researchers seeking the Truth of the matter. And so I leave this short essay with the following link that you may read at your leisure, which discusses the history of the Flat Earth Society, its leaders, and the fact that they may have been controlled opposition to counter any good information from being taken seriously.

Link–> http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/03/flat-earth-society-controlled-op.html

Again, I remind the reader that I remain neutral on the subject, so no need to bully me or attempt to belittle my character in the comments below. I simply ask that you consider the origins of this movement, a movement without really anywhere to move, and that you beware of any belief without supportive data. Use your grammar, logic, and rhetoric, in that order only.

Where does your grammar come from? Is it to teach or to deceive? Is it of the Nature of the Universe or is it sourced in the adverse?

ADVERSARIA – (From Latin adversa, things remarked or ready at hand.) Rough memoranda, common-place books. (Black4)

ADVERSARIA – noun – [Latin from adversus. See Adverse.] Among the ancients, a book of accounts, so named from the placing of debt and credit in opposition to each other. A commonplace book. (Webs1828)

ADVERSE adjective – [Latin adversus, opposite; of ad and versus, turned; from verto, to turn. See Advert. This word was formerly accented, by some authors, on the last syllable; but the accent is now settled on the first.] 1. Opposite; opposing; acting in a contrary direction; conflicting; counteracting; as, adverse winds; an adverse party. 2. Figuratively, opposing desire; contrary to the wishes, or to supposed good; hence, unfortunate; calamitous; afflictive; pernicious, unprosperous; as, adverse fate or circumstances. – verb transitive – advers’. To oppose. [Not used.] (Webs1828)

SATANnoun – [Hebrew. an adversary.] The grand adversary of man; the devil or prince of darkness; the chief of the fallen angels. (Webs1828)

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Are the books (grammar) on your shelf and in your digital browser a gift of the light of knowledge or of the adverse of darkness as form without substance?

The world, be it flat or round, square or artificial, is abound in false dialectic (logic), in adversarial forces intent on counter-cultural confusion. Perhaps it is time to abandon such impossible pursuits and focus on the ever-deteriorating and legally (licensed) anarchistic society we find ourselves in today? No matter what side of this debate you fall on, perhaps it is time to come back to earth and treat it as home, whatever its unknown shape, and to start treating each other as we wish others to treat us. Oh, what a wonderful world (round or flat) that would be.

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–clint richard-son (realityblogger.wordpress.com)
–Sunday, September 17th, 2017

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  1. Maxx

     /  September 17, 2017

    Yup.

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  2. mahwah

     /  September 17, 2017

    …brilliant! No other words needed…

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  3. Ri-chard

     /  September 18, 2017

    I work as a DoD contractor on Navy Aegis programs where we shoot lasers for targeting other ships and for distance measurements to sight weather and GPS buoys across the oceans world wide. It is a well known fact that gravity does not affect our lasers by making them curve to follow an assumed earth curvature. These targets never drop below the lasers line of sighting.
    Weather, humidity and falling chem-trail pollutants are the only things that limit our lasers and telescope sightings to a few kilometers across these flat surfaces.
    From Diego Garcia island sighting in any direction to a potential target or land mass the oceans do not curve below the distance limitations of our lasers. binoculars and telescopes.

    Please note even the low end USCG and NOAH lasers shoot over 3 miles across the oceans to illuminate their targets over the waters flat surfaces.

    Just saying what is know to us for years.

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    • Maxx

       /  September 18, 2017

      You work in the military. Can you explain to me how aluminum passenger planes pierced the towers on 911 ? Where did the plane wreckage go in PA and DC ? NY ?

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      • Ri-chard

         /  September 18, 2017

        Yes, light weight aluminum thin skinned commercial airplane with a plastic nose cone could not have possibly penetrated the structural concrete and sliced through the steel supports exiting out the other side of either tower. Plus, leaving no plane debris as sheet metal, seats and luggage to fall to the streets. IMPOSSIBLE for that to not have happened. See controlled plane crashes on YouTube to see what happens as these plane crinkle like aluminum foil.

        This impact problem especially applies to the bomb blast proof Pentagon building where the impact hole was not large enough to drive a tractor and trailer into. We are mostly shown the building after it collapsed. As well for a commercial plane construction to have penetrated through all the pentagon rings with a plastic nose cone. And there was no immediate extensive fire from the thousands of gallons of fuel stored in the wings much less impact marks from the total wing span of the plane.

        Yes, no plane wrecked in PA where there should have been due to the angle of impact the tail section would have broken away with seats and luggage strewn all over the ground.

        Think military drones/RPVs with short wing spans with war heads exploding just prior to impact.

        Do not pay any attention to what the new media videos promoted and what they told us what we saw. It’s all theater as people are asleep or suffer from Cognitive Dissonance never seeking the truth – saying my government wouldn’t do that to us. And I say think Chem-Trails and the GMO foods you eat at min .

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        • Maxx

           /  September 18, 2017

          So just to be clear, you believe “no planes” were used on 911?

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          • Ri-chard

             /  September 18, 2017

            Yes, planes were involved but definitely not how we were told of that crashed into the Towers, Pentagon and in the field in PA.
            I suggest the actual passenger planes were remotely taken over by use of the Boeing uninterruptible flight control systems that are installed on all commercial planes as a safety measure in case the pilot is disabled. Those passenger planes were flown to a remote location and passengers gone missing at min or dead.

            Think about it, passenger planes would have crumpled like a beer can and anything behind the super structure (wing root) would have broken off and not continued to penetrate through the buildings. There actually should have been plane tail parts, plastic overhead compartment pieces, body parts, seats, luggage scattered in the NY streets below.

            Just an opinion.

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            • Maxx

               /  September 18, 2017

              You just contradicted yourself.

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              • Ri-chard

                 /  September 18, 2017

                How so if the passenger planes were only used as diversion for the false flag. No passenger planes were used in the actual attacks. No contradiction.

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        • Maxx

           /  September 18, 2017

          How do you know for fact that any planes were used, let alone “hijacked” ? You still muddy the waters by saying planes were used, If planes were used, where is the plane wreckage? If these alleged planes were commandeered as you say, can you prove that this actually happened? Or are you repeating what the public media told you? I just want to be clear.

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          • Ri-chard

             /  September 18, 2017

            That I know of public media won’t discuss this. They want you to believe that inexperienced pilots crashed commercial passenger planes into these targets. Common sense tells me that was impossible. Those passenger planes were diverted away and did not crash.They were replaced in flight, transponders shut off with drones taking their place.
            Good grief watch the crash videos of the towers. How could the fragile wing tips slice through that building like a hot butter knife in a Hollywood movie. Impossible.

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          • Ri-chard

             /  September 19, 2017

            Follow up because you are thick headed.
            Passengers boarded their planes with proof from the airport manifest for departures. Planes were hijacked electronically. The Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot is a system designed to take control of a commercial aircraft away from the pilot or flight crew in the event the pilot is incapacitated or of a hijacking. If implemented, the system would allow the craft to automatically guide itself to a landing at a designated airstrip. Truth by fact.
            This system is commonly referred to worldwide as BUAP remote control.

            Videos were produced for the public with the mantra to match what we were supposed to have seen. Therefore the public has been duped into believing commercial passenger planes took down the towers and destroyed wedge one of the financial operations in the Pentagon and all without a trace of the commercial passenger planes, the passengers and belongings..

            Good luck in believing something other than that happened. Your own ghost government did this along with assistance from the Military and Security Industrial Complex.

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          • Ri-chard

             /  November 30, 2021

            Planes may have been used in the CGI videos.

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        • Maxx

           /  September 18, 2017

          Ive watched all the fake plane footage for hours. But you still believe planes were used, when I am not seeing that evidence. You are guessing. You are still muddying the waters and its pretty much a yes or no answer to – do you believe planes attacked the world trade center towers on 9/11/2001? Yes or no ?

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          • Ri-chard

             /  September 19, 2017

            Maxx, one more time.
            The passenger planes were diverted to a different location and sophisticate drone aircraft with explosives were used for the false flag crashes.
            Do you believe that was a passenger plane that hit the Pentagon or struck the field in PA?? No one in my circles believes that.

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            • Maxx

               /  September 19, 2017

              I dont see any evidence of planes being hijacked or commandeered at all that day. I mean its maybe possible, but ive seen no physical evidence of this. I believe cruise missiles of some sort were used. The media only said planes were hijacked. Cheney even “admits” to ordering the downing of the plane over PA that never existed. The whole scenario follows the pattern of illusion. You saw a magic trick. Personally I dont think you are in the military. I think you are lying.

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              • Ri-chard

                 /  September 19, 2017

                I never claimed to be in the Military. It seems you have a reading comprehension deficit. Or you are a creator of false narratives to fit your own self-serving needs.

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              • Ri-chard

                 /  September 19, 2017

                BTW you are not supposed to see evidence of the passenger planes or it’s passengers or it wouldn’t be a good false flag for you to buy into.

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    • Thx1138

       /  September 18, 2017

      Atmospheric refraction is the deviation of light or other electromagnetic wave from a straight line as it passes through the atmosphere due to the variation in air density as a function of height.This refraction is due to the velocity of light through air, decreasing (the refractive index increases) with increased density. Terrestrial refraction usually causes terrestrial objects to appear higher than they actually are. The above video illustrates the curvature of the Earth quite nicely using a laser, however.

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      • Ri-chard

         /  September 19, 2017

        Suppose you knew the Military and Mil-Aerospace only use platform maps because they target over flat topography and straight lines to fix target. Plus many of the lasers used are unknown to the public.
        Think of Adaptive Optics system which are made of deformable mirrors that compensate for atmospheric refraction and turbulence.
        How about a high-energy laser beam that burns through rain, fog over several kilometers and can still penetrate the skin of the target, building, boat, plane, missile and disables or explodes it depending upon where the beam strikes. Or it can create a hot spot for a missile to seek.
        And you could say you actually witnessed and experienced the performance of these lasers from Islands like Diego Garcia and other nearby sites demonstrating they were shooting across the perfectly flat Indian Ocean and China Seas to a probable floating target or an incoming low flying cruse missal.
        PS, if the laser is elevated its because of the feed back received from electronic buoys that measure the height of sea swells.

        Suppose this was true for you?

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    • Maxx

       /  September 19, 2017

      This is what you said, “I work as a DoD contractor on Navy Aegis programs where we shoot lasers for targeting other ships and for distance measurements to sight weather and GPS ” That to me is working for the military. You just keep lying.

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      • Ri-chard

         /  September 19, 2017

        PS, no flat earth hugger here, only know what I and my coworkers have experienced.

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      • Ri-chard

         /  October 5, 2017

        PS; I usually work for the prime contractor as General Dynamics, SAIC, Lockheed, Boeing, BAE the same ones that compensate us. Our employees are held responsible to the prime not a federal agency.
        We are they hands on personnel. They government and primes subcontract that most of that work out to another for cost effectiveness..

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        • Maxx

           /  October 7, 2017

          The only thing flat earthers fear, is sphere itself . . .

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          • Ri-chard

             /  October 8, 2017

            No fear, after all it started out in the beginning as flat but the elites changed it to round to fit their self-serving needs. No harm done, it is what it is.

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          • Ri-chard

             /  October 8, 2017

            FYI; We still use computer imagining for flat mapping for everything we do. The shortest distance to a target is still a straight line. Maybe the elites will change that for you as well.

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  4. iamlonefrog

     /  September 18, 2017

    “Belief based purely on physical observation and perspective is obviously a very dangerous thing, and is how the masses are controlled in many areas of thought.” – C>R

    This is basically true for both sides of the argument, which is most likely the intention anyways.

    I have pondered quite a bit as to why it is important that we resolve this question of globe or flat. All my feeble thought process could come up with is that if our “planet” is flat, we would discover much sooner that this is all an experiment upon humanity. Perhaps then we could end it by not participating. On the other hand, If it is a globe, the control could possibly last for ever with the assistance of tech. Thus far, a human can still only get as far as to reach orbit, which is of no help when all we have proven to do as a whole is fuck our home up.
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    Either way, this topic serves to be divisive, which seems to be the “way of things.” Cuz as we all know, permission is required for groups to gather which are capable of making changes to the “way of things.” Goooood byyyyy internet if enough people ever figure this one out.

    For now fluoride, football, and “impropriety” (couldn’t think of an “f” word for porn) still serve to dilute our existence.

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    • Maxx

       /  September 18, 2017

      do you believe planes were used on 911 ?

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    • Well stated, Frog.

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    • Ri-chard

       /  September 18, 2017

      Divide us to weaken us for better control of us and number of those enlightened. Nothing has changed

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    • Maxx

       /  September 18, 2017

      Thats why I changed the subject. Sorry but the FE subject was laid to rest in my own feeble mind, 4 years ago when I saw real life friends bringing it to the dinner table. Arguing, fighting with the in laws We were divided eons ago. Thats why many good people cant get traction in this world. I could careless if the Earth was flat. To me it just isnt a self evident truth . We have so many more important things to think about, like “no planes” on September 11, 2001 . Where there is upon close examination, no plane wreckage. Anywheres. Its a self evident truth even tho its not obvious to most people.

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  5. Thx1138

     /  September 18, 2017

    The zetetic method of science more closely resembles the spirit of human discovery. It is however also subject to the frailties of human interpretation of observations. Once a conclusion has been made based upon observations it then becomes a theory just like in mainstream science. Unfortunately in both forms of science obnoxious people fiercely defend their theories. They may often fail to recognize the possibility of an alternative explanation for their observations.

    Richard P. Feynman: Theory, Prediction, Observation

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  6. Maxx

     /  September 19, 2017

    I dont suppose anything. Im not finding any plane wreckage. You are not answering my questions and you pretty much lost what little credibilty that you had. Lasers on a ship doesnt mean anything to me. Meaning you are a bullshit artist. And not in the military. You are a flat earth hugger. An agent sent to cause division. And probably from the tribe of the circumcised.

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  7. Jeff Rey

     /  October 3, 2017

    Of course the Flat earth society is a set up. They cover every angle so that one does not find out the truth. The whole flat earth movement past and present has been a psyops from the start. I’ve been watching this modern flat earth movement since early 2014. It’s a set up I know all the players and all their false proofs. It’s done on purpose! Most are paid actors! But most are still confused. There is no curve! It cannot be measured! There are no planets! There is absolutly no proof of a physical body in a theoretical space, who’s properties contradicted themselves with the theory of the sun being a gas ball in a vacuum. Lol! Gravity is mythmatics and words/spell magic. How convenient this theory of gravity that cannot be reproduced in a lavatory. Ill tell you what can be reproduced in a lavatory, Density! Who is using the trivium? Try it on where the myth of space and planets come from. Same people writing the same script! The earth is a cellular structure. As above so below. As far as we know the earth is flat. We Can’t prove it any other way. Clint I respect all of your work. This topic is a tough one. Spent the last three years dismantling the flat earth movement. As well as reading your book and listening to all of your shows since the beginning! The person is not the only lie. The whole entire script is the lie! Just like you said one has to become a child again and relearn everything! It’s true!

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    • All foretold, as “the great delusion.” Not illusion, but delusion, the taking away of Truth and spiritually reason and discernment.

      DELUSION – noun – S as z. 1. The act of deluding; deception; a misleading of the mind. We are all liable to the delusions of artifice. 2. False representation; illusion; error or mistake proceeding from false views. And fondly mourn’d the dear delusion gone.

      -Clint

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      • Ri-chard

         /  October 5, 2017

        Yes, it’s a setup. Those of us who have worked on the AEGIS ships for years, think the global think tank has done something to our long range lasers. These laser just won’t curve matching the curvature of the earth. Yes, its a setup and a con.
        We still can’t figure out what they have done to our lasers as they continue to shoot flat and straight to a target across the oceans for kilometers lighting up or heating up a target.
        I guess they have screwed with our eyes and our long range finders as radar, microwaves, binoculars and telescopes to set us up believing the oceans are flat, but telling us the earth is curved,
        Those globalist are slick or they are convinced of it as thousands of employees and contractors at Wallops Island, VA working for NASA, NOAA and AEGIS keep seeing flat topographies. Yep, what a setup.

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        • Maxx

           /  October 8, 2017

          Define “globalist” “elites” “global think tank” . These are poetic vagaries to me. Be specific. Name names. Lasers shoot flat and will not adjust to the curvature of the Earth. You are a bullshit artist.

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          • Ri-chard

             /  October 8, 2017

            GLOBAL around the round world says those who run the educational system that teach kids Columbus discovered America, those who tell you the US won the war of independence, those who teach the US Constitution was based on Judo Christian foundations, tell you the black slaves never received reparation, and the Banksters that they actually lend you money to buy a home, and on and on the lies people believe.

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            • Maxx

               /  October 10, 2017

              lol !

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              • Ri-chard

                 /  October 10, 2017

                Thanks again for the intelligent rebuttal.

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                • Maxx

                   /  October 10, 2017

                  Ditto, dirtbag . In typical vampiric jew fashion you like to waste peoples time and energy. You have said and showed nothing of value since you quacks showed up. Because you cant. Its all you got. You named one person, Columbus who was a crypto marrano jew. Not an Italian European. He also didnt fall off the edge of the flat earth . Unfortunately.

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                  • Ri-chard

                     /  October 10, 2017

                    Funny, you can’t rebut the facts I present. See what government run schools did for you. Sleep well!

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                    • Maxx

                       /  October 10, 2017

                      Ri-Chard – I want you to say, “Israel needs to be blown off the face of the flat earth map” say it. I know you can do it.

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  October 10, 2017

                      As the 1st Christians say along with the old Arab and Hebrew blood lines in the Middle East – there will be no peace in the Middle East until the European Jews are no more on this earth.

                      And I agree whole hardheartedly. however I would also add there must be the demise of the Holy See and their Jesuits, then comes Wash DC and the Royal Crown folks.

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                  • Ri-chard

                     /  October 10, 2017

                    BTW I never mentioned what you did about Columbus. Therefore can you proof what you said of him.

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                  • Ri-chard

                     /  October 10, 2017

                    Before you answer please consider the Jesuits are a Military Religious Order of the Roman Catholic Church; Masonic and other Oaths. always follow the money.
                    The diabolical MONSTER of INIQUITY Alexander Borgia became Pope in August 1492, just a month before Christopher Columbus left Spain bound for Santo Domingo.

                    The Papacy cost Alexander Borgia an enormous sum in bribes. He was determined to get the money back and he had most of his rivals poisoned. Finally, his evil deeds returned upon his own head and he drank the poisoned cup that he had prepared for another cardinal.

                    When Christopher Columbus returned from visiting the island of Santo Domingo in March, 1494, Borgia issued a Papal Bull giving the New World to Spain and warning EVERY other nation (even Italians) not to even THINK about going there.

                    This was the end result of a diabolical plot by Antichrist to steal the New World from John Cabot and England in order to unleash the brutal Spanish Inquisition on the defenseless New World natives.

                    This monster is also the patron of the Knights of Columbus—the lay arm of the Jesuits in the U.S.
                    Remember the 3 powers (slave masters) are the Holy See = secrets of mankind and delegation of all that is evil, London/Royal Crown = the Banksters, and the pride of the Vatican is the 7 Hills of Washington DC = weapons of mass destruction.
                    All three are separate entities not belonging directly to the country they reside in.

                    Yes the phony Khazar, Zionist, Jews were involved at a much later date. But know still they have no real power only a puppet of the Holy See. London, and the district of Columbia.

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    • Ri-chard

       /  October 10, 2017

      And based on that you believe he was a Jew. Good Grief!

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      • Maxx

         /  October 11, 2017

        The New Jewish Encyclopedia says this. Its not my opinion. “Spanish jews” were considered sephardic and not European jews. Jesus was addressing the ancient bloodline jews way before the Khazars as “of the devil”. Judaism is a bloodline cult of satanism. The hasidim say they are anti zionist but still do business with shithole israel. My allegiance is with Native Americans. Europeans are the golem for the rabbis. I could give a shit what happens in the muddled east. A satanic jew is a satanic jew. When war starts in America, you will be catching bullets with your skull.
        “Israel must be blown off the face of the Earth” say it, ri-chard

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        • Ri-chard

           /  October 11, 2017

          Already said it – you still have poor reading comprehension.

          Again the powers that be are not the phony Jews. It all resides with the Trilateral agreements between the Vatican/Holy See, London and the District of Columbia. please read the 1st paragraph of the Treaty of Peace and the Papal Bulls that proceeded it. Remember Wash DC it not a part of the United States – nit is it’s own DISTRICT.

          This is how and why america did not win the War of Independence. It lost everything to the Crown.
          The laws and rules for Doing No Harm under God’s Laws and Natural Laws were abolished by the organic Constitution = Man-Made laws – with international banking – tax the labor and lands of all servants and what they produce – honor the government, not God – sovereignty given only to the corporate States not the people, the people are the servants not the government, bartering system abolished, eliminate all tangible trade currencies and replace them with government controlled paper, coin and ledger entries, tell the people the Constitution was based on Christian values – they will believe it because the government said so. On and on and step by step it goes for expanding the listings of all that was given up or taken away from the people. Become a debt slave and accept it as the norm for acceptance in being governed.

          PS; almost everything I was taught, was by the Jesuits for 12 years and was in near total opposition to what was being taught in government run schools. Catholicism was the invention of the Roman Empire now known as the Vatican. The bible is a book of books full of omissions and deceptions having some truths with incomplete stories of the origins of humanity. All this editing of the books was done to control the people and farm new convert$.
          All of the American and European history books are books of lies. The victors write the history to be promoted, not the Native American Indians or other indigenous people.. The indigenous and spiritual people must be culled as they know the old ways of our true beginnings and our powers. They know the earth was our gift from the creator and we are to do no harm to the air, waters, soil, plants, trees, animals and all creatures of the soil and waters. The earth yields all that we need for long and healthy life lines so protect mother earth as her steward.

          The indigenous people were better acquainted with the Tree of Life and now mankind is better tempted by the Tree of Knowledge and it’s unintended uses = deception, diversions, wars and destruction so we may not know who we are.
          No ET’s, they are the fallen ones, the seed of them and the followers of them. They never left us. If you don’t know of mankind’s beginnings you won’t be able to identify good from evil.

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          • Maxx

             /  October 11, 2017

            I agree with some of which you say. But the Jesuits and Catholic church were jewish constructs. Most Catholics I ask, never read rhe King James Bible. When you say “global elites” thats Alex Jones speak. The “real jews” were as satanic as the khazarian jews. You never quite came out and said “Israel needs to destroyed” even tho in the bible, its clear to me, israel will be destroyed. You gave a nebulous answer.

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            • Ri-chard

               /  November 10, 2017

              All the bibles have been plagiarized because they do not refer to the first ones of mankind in any detail.
              The christian bibles need to been rewritten starting with the days of the Anunnaki and early Babylon thousands of years earlier than the Romans and Vatican did their editing.

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              • Maxx

                 /  November 11, 2017

                Thomas Jefferson rewrote the bible. Jews need ro rewrite their bibles before they get surrounded and disposed of. Christians have been lead down the rabbi hole.

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                • Ri-chard

                   /  November 11, 2017

                  The Hebrews rewrote the bible to fit their story line copying the Anunnaki/Sumerians before Babylon 2000 years earlier.

                  Jefferson was a Squire of the Royal Crown as others – Fu-k Him and his traitors.

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                  • Maxx

                     /  November 11, 2017

                    Could be, I wasnt there. I believe we should give the land back to the Indians who were raped, robbed and murdered.

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  November 11, 2017

                      So you were with the Native Americans to witness that – – LMOL

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  8. Ri-chard

     /  October 10, 2017

    What facts do you want?

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  9. Paul

     /  April 19, 2019

    Consider that holographic projections of planes were used and the explosions inside were timed to coordinate with the images. Overseas help was involved as well. Remember Operations Northwoods; the PNAC that was looking for a New Pearl Harbor; Illuminati card games depicting the event years earlier; and much more.

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  10. Nobody ever seems to posit this question: what if the earth is neither flat nor round?

    The evidence that I have looked at tends to support the earth being an oblong sphere – that is a “planet” that has curvature but is not perfectly spherical. Hence why it appears flat to some, but round to others.

    Even the mainstream scientific establishment admitted long ago that the earth is not a perfectly round spheroid:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/

    Plus, the earth is supposedly far, far bigger than humans, and as such, we’re not going to notice a dramatic curve from our point of view. At ground level, the earth appears to be perfectly flat, but as we move farther away from the ground, we notice that the earth has a slight dip or curve.

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    • Ri-chard

       /  November 30, 2021

      Nothing has changed, I live ocean front, VA Beach Virginia and we still see sea level and a flat ocean even with a telescope and military laser range finders. No curve can be observed. Plus, all the cargo and military ships don’t not travel over any apex curve on Virginia’s East Coast..
      When it comes to air travel, none of the Virginia pilots have to compensate for flight time when flying to and from the West Coast on a spinning, wobbling, tilting ball hurtling through space. Round trip flight times are the same +- 5 to 7 mins

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      • Interesting, Ri. You’d think that if the earth is perfectly spherical that some curvature would’ve been detected. Some globe earthers may argue that the earth is so large it is hard to readily detect its curvature, but I beg to differ.

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        • Ri-chard

           /  December 1, 2021

          Yes, these little minds must change their menu. Now the NASA measurement are wrong – it’s bigger and not spherical.
          These are the same minds that believe the American patriots won the Revolutionary War, even though the only document/doctrine/Treaty that exist for formally ending the war was written by King George III as his Treaty of Peace in 1783. In fact the King claims to be the Arch-treasurer and Prince Elector of the United States of America. And no one protested.
          They only believe what they are told, never researching it to acquire their own knowledge. They believe their government and government run schools systems wouldn’t lie to them. Therefore, you or I cannot debrief them.

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          • IKR? The more you dig deeper, the more it doesn’t make sense. It’s all a pile of utter carp.

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          • And, when it comes to the Paris Peace Treaty (1783), the Crown’s property rights were protected and upheld and the Americans still owed “bona fide” debts and reparations to England. Britain’s property rights were reaffirmed in “Society for Propagation of the Gospel v. Town of New Haven”, an 1823 Supreme Court case that ruled favorably for a British ecclesiastical corporation’s right to own and hold property in the United States, and it also stated that the revolution didn’t liquidate Britain’s capacity to own property in the Americas and set-up corporations here to manage their holdings. Hence why it took thirteen years for British troops to leave this country after the Treaty of 1783 became law – only for them to return and ransack Washington, D.C. before they sailed back to the U.K.

            Treaty of Peace & Friendship (1783) – Articles Four, Five, & Six:

            https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/paris.asp#art4

            https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/paris.asp#art5

            https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/paris.asp#art6

            You also see the same thing in the Jay Treaty (1794) where they reaffirmed Britain’s American assets still belonged to them, which the 1823 case mentioned and confirmed with its ruling. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

            https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/jay.asp#art9

            Society for Propagation of the Gospel v. Town of New Haven, 21 U.S. 464 (1823):

            https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/21/464/

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            • Ri-chard

               /  January 5, 2022

              Just comparing document under contract law.
              First let us examine a Chain of Title, or lack thereof. By, under and through the Declaration of Independence c1776 the entity formed was to be known and operate as either States of America or united States of America. The entities forming such entity were operating as, for example, New York. Common sense dictates that this document is what may give the authority to effectuate and maintain an entity in the absence of rejection and/or war declared and prosecuted by the entity(ies) claiming and exercising authority and control over the same.

              Next up are the Articles of Confederation c1781. By, under and through the Articles of Confederation a new entity was formed it appears by the styling thereof as The United States of America. There was not an explicit and direct importation of the Declaration of Independence c1776 therein and thereby exists a defect and first break in Chain of Title.

              The Treaty of Peace agreed upon in 1783 and ratified in 1784 raises several serious issues in, and of, itself. The first paragraph, which exposes capacities, characters, conditions, status and standings of the parties thereto, creates very serious implications, conflicts and breaks in the Chain of Title. Prince George the Third “agreed, accepted and acknowledged” this document as arch-treasurer and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc. and of the United States of America. This Treaty was supposed to be between the United States of America and Prince George the Third. But by the words contained therein in explicit and clear language it is not. The same party was present as both sides. That in, and of, itself would void the document under even the loosest interpretations under contract law. Article 1 recognizes the entities we know as states, but not as State of …, but for example just New York. It recognizes these entities as free sovereign and independent states, not the men, and would appear to be a conflict of, and with, the Declaration of Independence c 1776. Further breaks in Chain of Title.

              The Constitution for the United States of America c1787 clearly voids the Articles of Confederation by the employment of the words “to form a more perfect union.” There is also a change in the style of the entity to United States of America. Once again the Declaration of Independence c1776 was in no way referenced or incorporated therein, thereby creating another break in the Chain of Title. With this many breaks in any chain it could no longer be called a chain. Presently this entity also masquerades in un/non Constitutional interactions against/with real-men under an assumed identity, most frequently STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and UNITED STATES, without explicit and clear authority. An Ultra Vires act voids the contract. The first Act of the alleged Congress would appear to the common man to be outright fraud in the execution and/or fraud in the inducement as the document the Oath is being sworn to, or affirmed, is not the name of the document allegedly approved by the People. An Ultra Vires act or acts, another break in the Chain of Title, fraud in the inducement and/or fraud in the execution would thereby render all void, ab initio.

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            • Ri-chard

               /  January 5, 2022

              Also, don’t forget the 1st article. King George made his States Free and sovereign – not We the People. we the People remained as citizen subjects and debt slaves. the King’s governors were all Scottish Rite Masons.
              What did they consider their States to be?
              See “Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is Person.” 9 F. Supp 272
              “Word “person” does not include state. 12 Op Atty Gen 176.
              https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1516
              The United States Corporation Manual – 1921.pdf – Google Drive
              It seems there are no states, just corporations. A corporation is an artificial entity, a fiction at law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind, that speak to you. We labor, pledge our property, and give our children to a fiction. Request a D&B report on your State government agencies for proof.

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              • Thanks a lot for providing additional evidence supporting what I presented above. It’s clearly obvious what this whole thing has really been all about from the get-go.

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                • Ri-chard

                   /  January 5, 2022

                  Yes, fraud and deceit.

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                • Ri-chard

                   /  January 5, 2022

                  Adding to the fraud, let’s explore what Washington didn’t do in 1781 when it was reported the Cornwallis surrendered to Washington. LOL. If this were true, Washington should have created a Doctrine of Conquest claiming all the spoils of war the American Patriots and Colonist fought for. This conquest document would have documented at min, that a victorious nation (America) in war acquired sovereignty over the conquered nation (British Crown) and could exert its own legal and political jurisdiction chosen by its sovereign residents.
                  Note: The practice for creating a doctrine of conquest dates back at least to Roman law. Instead, George Washington allowed King George III to dictate his own Trilateral Treaty terms for ending the physical war yielding nothing to the American Patriots and colonist. that fought against him and his impersonators in Congress and Senate.
                  Washington by his actions was not an honorable man.
                  Reference for Cornwallis’s message to Washington as follows
                  https://911nwo.com/?p=7775
                  Legions of Satan Banning (newensign.com)
                  Also, on the Senate Record as Washington’s Surrender.

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                  • Yeah, it’s clear that the whole thing was a hoax. I doubt that there was even a massive war that actually happened. There are just too many plot holes in the story to make it true.

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  January 5, 2022

                      Let me add this tidbit. 1786 Constitutional Convention. None of the Founders created a document defining what form of a Republic we the People were to have, and the responsibilities for keeping it active. Therefore, not one State (to this date) has ever submitted their Constitution for certification being Republican in form per Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution. The people never voted on their State Constitution – it was given to them by the corporation they thought was their government.
                      Knowing what the founders did and didn’t do they had to create more CYA actions.
                      1789 the very First Act of Congress/Senate changed the title wording of the Constitution for purposes of taking the oath of office just before General Washington was sworn into office as POTUS. Many that have studied this call is their CYA Act for plausible deniability of breaching the organic constitution.
                      If words can mean everything, then changing them and deleting them from the original document title, can change meaning and intent.
                      The preamble states “this Constitution for the United States of America”
                      The 1789 law says “the Constitution of the United States”
                      https://www.cop.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Senates_First_Act_-_The_Oath_Act.htm
                      1791 To set the final foundation blocks for America’s governance so they may be built on into the future, Washington and Hamilton created the First Bank of the United States for King George with his Private Bank with all foreign stockholders.

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                    • Basically, the U.S. Constitution established the foundations for a centralized, fascist government. The fact that it wasn’t actually popular amongst the “hoi polloi” at the time – not to mention that they played no role in its creation and implementation – says volumes about what it was really for. In fact, the masses couldn’t even vote in federal elections when it first became law in 1789, as universal suffrage wasn’t guaranteed under the Constitution until Andrew Jackson’s presidency decades later. Until then, only wealthy, landowning “whites” could vote in national elections. So if anything, it’s actually undemocratic, which was exactly what the “Founders” wanted (and admitted as much to).

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  January 5, 2022

                      What a pleasure it is to converse with you. Remedy for cure is what we should attempt to construct as a plan to reach the masses with these truths.

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                    • If only that was possible to get them to be willing to listen to us.

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  January 6, 2022

                      Send the below to anyone that knows something is wrong but can’t put their finger on it and how it started. The opening question is to hopefully open their minds up to the common sense that they never consented. Basic Contract Law.
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                      Can I bind another man by contract without his intelligent and intentional acknowledgment and acceptance thereof?

                      I believe if you can answer the following questions, you will not only know the cause for what has gone so terrible wrong but will know the remedy for cure.

                      1a.) Why were we taught in school that in 1781 General Cornwallis surrendered to General Washington when there is no document proving the American Patriots were the victors?
                      b.) Why during this so-called surrender where Cornwallis told Washington what will begin to happen to America and its people didn’t Washington create a Document of Conquest claiming the freedoms, liberties and all the spoils of war the American Patriots fought for?
                      https://911nwo.com/?p=7775 Legions of Satan Banning (newensign.com) also on the Senate record.
                      Note: This conquest document would have documented at min, that a victorious nation (America) in war acquired sovereignty over the conquered nation (British Crown) and could exert its own legal and political jurisdiction chosen by its sovereign residents. The practice for creating a doctrine of conquest was well known, it dates back at least to Roman law.

                      2a.) Why did George Washington surrender the responsibility for documenting the terms for ending the hostilities of war to King George III two years later in his 1783 Definitive Treaty of Peace aka, Treaty of Paris?
                      b.) Why was King George III allowed to claim his Holy Roman Empire/Vatican titles of capacities as the Arch-treasurer and Prince Elector of the United States of America?
                      Note: the only document that exist recognized by our manmade English laws to determine the victor of the war, is the Definitive Treaty of Peace, aka Treaty of Paris. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/paris.asp

                      3.) Why during the Constitutional Convention 1786 didn’t the Founders created a document for We the People defining what form of a Republic they were to have and the responsibilities for keeping it in check?
                      b.) Why didn’t any State submit their Constitution for certification being Republican in form per Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution?

                      4.) Why was the very First Act of Congress 1789 just before General Washington was sworn into office as POTUS did Congress/Senate change the title wording of the Constitution stated in the Preamble for purposes of taking the oath of office?
                      b.) If words mean everything, then changing them and deleting them does what for meaning and intent of the expression?
                      Preamble title:
                      “this Constitution for the United States of America”
                      1789 Oath made Law:
                      “the Constitution of the United States”
                      c.) Is it possible this was a technical CYA Act for plausible deniability, as all knew what was and wasn’t done starting in 1781 and 1783?
                      https://www.cop.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Senates_First_Act_-_The_Oath_Act.htm

                      5.) If America was known as the land of plenty due to its abundance of natural resources for Foods of Meats, Fowl and Fish, Farming, Timber, Gold, Silver and Copper, why did President Washington and Alexander Hamilton in 1791 create the “First Bank of the United States” as a non-American entity for King George using his private English bank having all foreign stockholders?

                      6.) If we are to use basic contract law to determine a breach or lack of chain of title, doesn’t the King’s 1783 Treaty give us proof of fraud, breach and deceit?
                      Example: The Treaty of Peace agreed upon in 1783 and ratified in 1784 raises several serious issues in, and of, itself. The first paragraph, which exposes capacities, characters, conditions, status and standings of the parties thereto, creates very serious implications, conflicts and breaks in the Chain of Title. Prince George the Third “agreed, accepted and acknowledged” this document as Arch-treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc. and of the United States of America. This Treaty was supposed to be between the United States of America and Prince George the Third. But by the words contained therein in explicit and clear language it is not. The same party was present as both sides. That in, and of, itself would void the document under even the loosest interpretations under contract law. Article 1 recognizes the entities we know as states, but not as State of …, but for example just New York. It recognizes these entities as free sovereign and independent states, not the men, and would appear to be a conflict of, and with, the Declaration of Independence c 1776. This further breaks in Chain of Title. Yes -No?

                      7.) Who made the following null and void? For the Rule of Law choice lost, I reference and old history book on The Common law for America as entitled ‘Colonial Law, by Reinsch’, he sums up what the Thirteen Colonies considered to be the final bases for all law in America or ever to be in America… “the colonies were so impressed with the idea of an overruling law of nature that the laws of God and so-called natural laws were regarded as the true laws, and all temporal legislation was considered to be binding only in so far as it was an expression of this natural law” Yes, back then there were some moral white hats. James Wilson, the foremost lawyer at the Constitutional Convention, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, and a man who was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1789 and was well familiar with this legal principal stated above called Natural Law and stated, “Parliament may, unquestionably, be controlled by natural or revealed law, proceeding from divine authority”.
                      https://www.lawbookexchange.com/pages/books/40766/paul-samuel-reinsch/english-common-law-in-the-early-american-colonies

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                    • Actually, universal (male) suffrage for federal elections came about in 1856, almost twenty years after Andrew Jackson’s death in office. Before that, the common man was still disenfranchised from voting in national elections, despite the popularity of universal suffrage. So we never had a real democratic republic, thereby making Ben Franklin’s famous quip “a republic if you can keep it” moot because we never had any such thing to keep or protect.

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_manhood_suffrage

                      Click to access sokoloff-050406.pdf

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                    • A fatal flaw in your retort, my friend, is that a “republic” is anything at all. China, Russia, and about 150 other countries are also republics. It was a trend al through Europe. This, in my opinion, is how all people (states/countries) were defeated by the international commercial system (sea), by being constituted (made) first into republics, and then slowly metamorphized into nation-states – where the national government becomes the dictator, the spiritual notion of a nation becoming its own central power and entity (person) in international law – now states of the United Nations (the ultimate nation). The patriot mythology surrounding what a republic is completely misunderstood and a joke. Sorry…

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                    • What I meant was that there never was a “republican form of government” as the masses understand it – that is one which is beholden to the people and their (mythical) rights. Sure, it may present itself as such to the outside world, but practically it is anything but such a thing, and it’s not an accident that it’s that way because it was designed to be so from the start – as we all know.

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  January 13, 2022

                      Yes, and is why King George only recognized his States to be Sovereign and free in his Treaty of Paris 1783 Article 1. All people of America are recognized as Citizen Subjects and Debt owners. We the people were never to be recognized as a sovereign people – that would mean we rule.

                      What are the States? See ”Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is Person.” 9 F. Supp 272  
                      “Word “person” does not include state. 12 Op Atty Gen 176.  
                      https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1516
                      The United States Corporation Manual – 1921.pdf – Google Drive
                      It seems there are no states, just corporations. A corporation is an artificial entity, a fiction at law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind, that speak to you. BOO!
                      We labor, pledge our property, and give our children to a fiction. 
                      Request a D&B report on your State government agencies including judicial for proof they are corporations for profit. 

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                    • I disagree on one point. MEN were recognized to have unalienable God-given rights in that Declaration of Independence. This is necessary to create a voluntary society from which those rights can be voluntarily given away. Even the United Nations declarations are in place for the same reason, which read as if they are wonderful, but which in fact are merely declarations of what the United Nations will be extracting from us when we except membership. I would imagine the devil would say it this way: One must first acknowledge that which your contract is designed to take away.

                      -Clint

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  January 16, 2022

                      How could the men have inalienable rights? if the the common man/colonist were not allowed to vote. not allowed to own their lands with free and clear title (allodial title). nor allowed to choose their Rule of Law form, as Common law built of the foundations of God’s law/Natural law. Were not allowed to have their own Private Banking system. Currency forms and Commerce practices.
                      After the King’s Treaty was written the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were just calming messages. Washington was a traitor to the American Patriots losing all of substance they fought for. Basically, the King said they could go fish.

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                    • Which of these are of God? Money? Currency? Banks? Common law? Man’s Law? Colonies? Colonists? “Land?” A Choice of Law? Title? Allodial Title? A constitution? A declaration? Washington? America? Patriots? A king?

                      Ironically, the only thing you’ve mentioned that is of God is fish. The problem with false Christians is secularist thought. None of the above fall under the Law of Nature. They are not Natural.

                      -Clint

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  January 17, 2022

                      Seems you have many in Wash DC that mind share with you. Therefore, you won’t read in between the lines of their words and what it was allowed to morph into…
                      God’s Law is the Natural Law – the Original Contract
                      Natural law built on the foundations of God’s law is what all 13 colonies agreed to before it was overruled by King George III. Naturally he had direct assistance to cancel the wishes of the colonist with his lead Esquire, Ben Franklin in his negotiating of the 1783 Definitive Treaty of Peace, aka Treaty of Paris.
                      How about not being allowed to rule over your own dominion, as in your land.
                      how about choosing your mate without man-made laws being involved?
                      How could you be the caretaker of your lands if you don’t have permission or to didn’t pay for that right.
                      How could you use the God given natural resources without having to pay a fee/tax to do so? This includes finding a natural resource on the land you stand on, as gold which the Crown had already claimed a share of in perpetuity for his heirs. So, he watched your take as well.
                      Commerce, they had to stop you from the bartering of goods, skills and services for an agreed to equitable exchange. No longer was a contract between 2 men with a handshake. You needed a 3rd party as an Esquire to intervene, control and record the transaction.

                      As for you noting FISH why not add all the other animals and creatures to the list where you are told you can harvest them, and you must have a license to do so. And pay taxes on your harvest and labors.

                      I know you think what the Founders did was just peachy and justified. Usery is just fine. Again, you have a lot of friends in Wash DC.
                      No need to respond, I get you. 10/4
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                    • As nothing you’ve stated here applies to me, and as I’ve avidly opposed it on this blog, you should take your trolling elsewhere. Anyone that knows of me would laugh at this false, slandering comment directed at my “opinion”, nor does it have anything to do with what you are responding to. So you are right, no need to respond.

                      -Clint

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  January 19, 2022

                      Yes, and good luck with your BS relaityblogger calling others what you are..

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                    • Ri-chard

                       /  January 10, 2022

                      Other than the breach of Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution there is the matter of Washington allowing the King’s 1783 Treaty that made the Constitution and Declaration of Independence moot. It’s all fraud and deceit.

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